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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 97
Tuesday, March 19, 2024, 3:33 p.m. to 5:47 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Hon. Judy A. Sgro, Chair (Liberal)

Library of Parliament
• Bashar Abu Taleb, Analyst
• Offah Obale, Analyst
Canada Border Services Agency
• Ted Gallivan, Executive Vice-President
• Mike Leahy, Director General, Commercial Projects
• Jennifer Lutfallah, Vice-President, Commercial and Trade Branch
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, the committee commenced its study of the CBSA Assessment and Revenue Management system (CARM)

It was agreed, — That the proposed budget in the amount of $9,750, for the study of the CBSA Assessment and Revenue Management system (CARM), be adopted.

Ted Gallivan made a statement and, with the other witnesses, answered questions.

Motion

Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay moved, — That, given that the Canada Border Services Agency is currently working to implement an official computerized registration system for the application of international trade policies relating to commercial duties and taxes for importers and supply chain partners specifically named "CBSA Assessment and Revenue Management" (CARM) and that this new system will come into effect for all on May 13, 2024; pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Committee

A. requests the Canada Border Services Agency to produce, in both official languages, an unredacted copy of:

  1. the deliverable listing the detailed functional technical specifications, as well as any comments provided by the Agency concerning these specifications;
  2. the deliverable establishing the link between the detailed functional technical specifications of the system and the business needs, as mentioned in the initial Statement of Work;
  3. all documents demonstrating which business needs from the Statement of Work the Agency considers to be met by the current solution;
  4. a list of all deliverables, signed and unsigned, and their status as to whether or not they have been signed;
  5. the Internal Final Report of the most recent CARM Experience Simulation as soon as it is ready, provided that the documents are filed with the Clerk of the Committee no later than 15 days following the adoption of this motion; and

B. once the documents in A have been received by the members of the Committee that, if it is not possible to send an unredacted copy to the Committee for a valid reason, they be forwarded directly to the Parliamentary Law Clerk who will then give his opinion on the need for redaction to the Committee; and

C. once the documents in A have been received by the members of the Committee, that the Committee invite the President of the Canada Border Services Agency to testify for a 2-hour meeting, in order to answer the Committee's questions about these documents.

Debate arose thereon.

It was agreed, — That debate on the motion of Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay be adjourned to Thursday, March 21, 2024, at the beginning of the meeting.

Questioning of the witnesses resumed.

At 4:25 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 4:26 p.m., the sitting resumed.

The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

Kyle Seeback gave notice of the following motion:

That, given that:

(a)   The Carbon tax puts Canada in a competitive disadvantage on the global market,

(b)   Jurisdictions such as the United States do not have a carbon tax, giving them a competitive advantage,

(c)   This competitive advantage could draw businesses to the US, hurting Canadian business,

(d)   And that the federal government is planning a 23% carbon tax increase on April 1st, the committee report to the House its recommendation to spike the hike and axe the tax.

At 5:29 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 5:33 p.m., the sitting resumed in camera.

It was agreed, — That, given that the Canada Border Services Agency is currently working to implement an official computerized registration system for the application of international trade policies relating to commercial duties and taxes for importers and supply chain partners specifically named "CBSA Assessment and Revenue Management" (CARM) and that this new system will come into effect for all on May 13, 2024; pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Committee

A. requests the Canada Border Services Agency to produce, in both official languages, an unredacted copy of:

  1. the deliverable listing the detailed functional technical specifications, as well as any comments provided by the Agency concerning these specifications;
  2. the deliverable establishing the link between the detailed functional technical specifications of the system and the business needs, as mentioned in the initial Statement of Work;
  3. all documents demonstrating which business needs from the Statement of Work the Agency considers to be met by the current solution;
  4. a list of all deliverables, signed and unsigned, and their status as to whether or not they have been signed;
  5. the Internal Final Report of the most recent CARM Experience Simulation as soon as it is ready, provided that the documents are filed with the Clerk of the Committee no later than 15 days following the adoption of this motion; and

B. once the documents in A have been received by the members of the Committee that, if it is not possible to send an unredacted copy to the Committee for a valid reason, they be forwarded directly to the Parliamentary Law Clerk who will then give his opinion on the need for redaction to the Committee; and

C. once the documents in A have been received by the members of the Committee, that the Committee invite the President of the Canada Border Services Agency to testify for a 2-hour meeting, in order to answer the Committee's questions about these documents.

At 5:47 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Sophia Nickel
Clerk of the committee