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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 133
Monday, September 16, 2024, 3:35 p.m. to 6:28 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Joël Lightbound, Chair (Liberal)

• Michael Barrett for Ryan Williams (Conservative)
• Michael Barrett for Hon. Michelle Rempel Garner (Conservative)
• Larry Brock for Bernard Généreux (Conservative)
• Michael Cooper for Brad Vis (Conservative)
• Michael Cooper for Jeremy Patzer (Conservative)
• Yvonne Jones for Vance Badawey (Liberal)
Library of Parliament
• Isaac Doucette, Analyst
• Dana Fan, Analyst
Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner
• Michael Aquilino, Legal Counsel
• Konrad Winrich von Finckenstein, Commissioner
As an individual
• Annette Verschuren, O.C.
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motions adopted by the committee on Tuesday, November 7, 2023 and Wednesday, July 31, 2024, the committee resumed its study on the recent investigation and reports on Sustainable Development Technology Canada.

The Commissioner made a statement and, with Michael Aquilino, answered questions.

At 4:42 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 4:51 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Annette Verschuren made a statement and answered questions.

Motion

Jean-Denis Garon moved, — Given that the Auditor General's Report 6 - Sustainable Development Technology Canada 2024 concluded that the Sustainable Development Technology Canada (SDTC) program failed on several points in the allocation of funding and that projects were approved while there were board members who were in conflict of interest and that they did not withdraw from decision-making;

That the Committee declares:

  1. that it is of the opinion that the offending companies that acted in bad faith and despite the ethical rules that apply in cases of conflict of interest must reimburse the sums they received from the Sustainable Development Technology Canada (SDTC) program and;
  2. it believes that companies that acted in good faith should not be penalized for the government's laxity in implementing the Sustainable Development Technology Canada (SDTC) program and allocating funding;

Consequently, the Committee proposes that the Auditor General issue a list of organizations or companies that are at fault, that have acted in bad faith, despite the ethical rules that apply in cases of conflict of interest.

By unanimous consent, the motion was withdrawn.

At 5:38 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 5:52 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Brian Masse gave notice of the following motion:

That the Standing Committee on Industry and Technology undertake a study on the issue of credit card practices and regulations, following recent concerns about high interest rates, excessive fees, and consumer protection. This study should include, but not be limited to, the following areas:
  1. interest rates and examining of the impact of high credit card interest rates on Canadian consumers and potential measures to cap or regulate these rates;
  2. fees and Charges and an analysis of various fees associated with credit cards, including late payment fees, annual fees, and foreign transaction fees, and how these fees affect consumer finances;
  3. consumer protections and a review of these measures related to credit cards, with a focus on improving transparency in credit card terms, interest rates, and fees;
  4. predatory lending practices that investigate into predatory lending practices within the credit card industry and recommendations for stricter regulations to prevent exploitation of consumers;
  5. financial literacy with consideration of the role of financial literacy in helping consumers manage credit card debt and potential initiatives to enhance financial education;
  6. regulatory oversight including an assessment of the effectiveness of existing regulatory frameworks overseeing credit card companies and potential improvements to ensure fair and transparent practices.
The study should be comprised of no fewer than 4 meetings and include consultations with relevant stakeholders, including financial experts, consumer advocacy groups, and representatives from the credit card industry.

Questioning of Annette Verschuren resumed.

Motion

Jean-Denis Garon moved, — Given that the Auditor General's Report 6 - Sustainable Development Technology Canada 2024 concluded that the Sustainable Development Technology Canada (SDTC) program failed on several points in the allocation of funding and that projects were approved while there were board members who were in conflict of interest and that they did not withdraw from decision-making;

That the Committee declares:

  1. that it is of the opinion that the offending companies that acted in bad faith and despite the ethical rules that apply in cases of conflict of interest must reimburse the sums they received from the Sustainable Development Technology Canada (SDTC) program and;
  2. it believes that companies that acted in good faith should not be penalized for the government's laxity in implementing the Sustainable Development Technology Canada (SDTC) program and allocating funding;

Consequently, the Committee proposes that the Auditor General issue a list of organizations or companies that are at fault, that have acted in bad faith, despite the ethical rules that apply in cases of conflict of interest.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Ryan Turnbull moved, — That the motion be amended by deleting the words “for the government's laxity in implementing the Sustainable Development Technology Canada (SDTC) program and allocating funding;”.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Ryan Turnbull and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Chandra Arya, Iqwinder Gaheer, Jean-Denis Garon, Yvonne Jones, Brian Masse, Ryan Turnbull, Tony Van Bynen — 7;

NAYS: Michael Barrett, Larry Brock, Michael Cooper, Rick Perkins — 4.

The question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Chandra Arya, Michael Barrett, Larry Brock, Michael Cooper, Iqwinder Gaheer, Jean-Denis Garon, Yvonne Jones, Brian Masse, Rick Perkins, Ryan Turnbull, Tony Van Bynen — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

Given that the Auditor General's Report 6 - Sustainable Development Technology Canada 2024 concluded that the Sustainable Development Technology Canada (SDTC) program failed on several points in the allocation of funding and that projects were approved while there were board members who were in conflict of interest and that they did not withdraw from decision-making;
That the Committee declares:

  1. that it is of the opinion that the offending companies that acted in bad faith and despite the ethical rules that apply in cases of conflict of interest must reimburse the sums they received from the Sustainable Development Technology Canada (SDTC) program and;
  2. it believes that companies that acted in good faith should not be penalized.

Consequently, the Committee proposes that the Auditor General issue a list of organizations or companies that are at fault, that have acted in bad faith, despite the ethical rules that apply in cases of conflict of interest.

At 6:28 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Miriam Burke
Clerk of the committee