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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 134
Thursday, September 19, 2024, 8:29 a.m. to 10:15 a.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Joël Lightbound, Chair (Liberal)

House of Commons
• Jacques Maziade, Legislative Clerk
• Jean-François Pagé, Legislative Clerk
 
Library of Parliament
• Isaac Doucette, Analyst
• Dana Fan, Analyst
Department of Industry
• Samir Chhabra, Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch
• Runa Angus, Senior Director, Strategy and Innovation Policy Sector
Pursuant to the order of reference of Monday, April 24, 2023, the committee resumed consideration of Bill C-27, An Act to enact the Consumer Privacy Protection Act, the Personal Information and Data Protection Tribunal Act and the Artificial Intelligence and Data Act and to make consequential and related amendments to other Acts.

Motion

Michelle Rempel Garner moved, —

That, given recent reports that Department of Industry (ISED’s) taxpayer funded loan program for “future entrepreneurs” has resulted in $45.9 million in write-offs for taxpayers, and there may be conflict of interest concerns regarding a grant recipient and their relationship to a current senior member of the federal cabinet, the Standing Committee on Industry and Technology undertake a study of the future entrepreneur program comprising of two meetings, invite the following witnesses and others as deemed appropriate by the committee, and report its findings to the House:

  • Karen Greve Young – Futurepreneur, Chief Executive Officer;
  • Francois-Philippe Champagne – Minister of Innovation Science and Industry;
  • Melanie Joly – Minister of Foreign Affairs.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Bernard Généreux, Jeremy Patzer, Rick Perkins, Michelle Rempel Garner — 4;

NAYS: Chandra Arya, Vance Badawey, Iqwinder Gaheer, Jean-Denis Garon, Brian Masse, Ryan Turnbull, Tony Van Bynen — 7.

Motion

Brian Masse moved, —

That the committee undertake a study on the issue of credit card practices and regulations, following recent concerns about high interest rates, excessive fees, and consumer protection. This study should include, but not be limited to, the following areas:

  1. interest Rates and examining of the impact of high credit card interest rates on Canadian consumers and potential measures to cap or regulate these rates;
  2. fees and Charges and an analysis of various fees associated with credit cards, including late payment fees, annual fees, and foreign transaction fees, and how these fees affect consumer finances;
  3. consumer Protections and a review of these measures related to credit cards, with a focus on improving transparency in credit card terms, interest rates, and fees;
  4. predatory Lending Practices that investigate into predatory lending practices within the credit card industry and recommendations for stricter regulations to prevent exploitation of consumers;
  5. financial Literacy with consideration of the role of financial literacy in helping consumers manage credit card debt and potential initiatives to enhance financial education;
  6. regulatory Oversight including an assessment of the effectiveness of existing regulatory frameworks overseeing credit card companies and potential improvements to ensure fair and transparent practices.

    The study should be comprised of no fewer than four meetings and include consultations with relevant stakeholders, including financial experts, consumer advocacy groups, and representatives from the credit card industry.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Rick Perkins moved, — That the motion be amended by adding after the words “consumer advocacy groups, and representatives from the credit card industry.” the following: “And that the committee begin consideration of this study within 14 days following the adoption of this motion.”.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Rick Perkins and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Bernard Généreux, Brian Masse, Jeremy Patzer, Rick Perkins, Michelle Rempel Garner — 5;

NAYS: Chandra Arya, Vance Badawey, Iqwinder Gaheer, Jean-Denis Garon, Ryan Turnbull, Tony Van Bynen — 6.

On motion of Jean-Denis Garon, it was agreed, — That the motion be amended by adding after the words “(f) regulatory Oversight including an assessment of the effectiveness of existing regulatory frameworks overseeing credit card companies and potential improvements to ensure fair and transparent practices. ” the following: “(g) the practices related to interchange fees, and their consequences on the viability of merchants and on the prices charged to consumers”.

After debate, the question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That the committee undertake a study on the issue of credit card practices and regulations, following recent concerns about high interest rates, excessive fees, and consumer protection. This study should include, but not be limited to, the following areas:

  1. interest Rates and examining of the impact of high credit card interest rates on Canadian consumers and potential measures to cap or regulate these rates;
  2. fees and Charges and an analysis of various fees associated with credit cards, including late payment fees, annual fees, and foreign transaction fees, and how these fees affect consumer finances;
  3. consumer Protections and a review of these measures related to credit cards, with a focus on improving transparency in credit card terms, interest rates, and fees;
  4. predatory Lending Practices that investigate into predatory lending practices within the credit card industry and recommendations for stricter regulations to prevent exploitation of consumers;
  5. financial Literacy with consideration of the role of financial literacy in helping consumers manage credit card debt and potential initiatives to enhance financial education;
  6. regulatory Oversight including an assessment of the effectiveness of existing regulatory frameworks overseeing credit card companies and potential improvements to ensure fair and transparent practices;
  7. the practices related to interchange fees, and their consequences on the viability of merchants and on the prices charged to consumers.

    The study should be comprised of no fewer than four meetings and include consultations with relevant stakeholders, including financial experts, consumer advocacy groups, and representatives from the credit card industry.

Motion

Rick Perkins moved, — That the committee invite the Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry, to appear before the committee for no less than two hours, within 14 days of the adoption of this motion, in relation to their mandate.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Ryan Turnbull moved, — That the motion be amended by deleting the words “within 14 days of the adoption of this motion,”.

Motion

Ryan Turnbull moved, — That the committee do now adjourn.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Chandra Arya, Vance Badawey, Iqwinder Gaheer, Ryan Turnbull, Tony Van Bynen — 5;

NAYS: Jean-Denis Garon, Bernard Généreux, Brian Masse, Jeremy Patzer, Rick Perkins, Michelle Rempel Garner — 6.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion of Rick Perkins and the amendment of Ryan Turnbull.

The question was put on the amendment of Ryan Turnbull and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Chandra Arya, Vance Badawey, Iqwinder Gaheer, Ryan Turnbull, Tony Van Bynen — 5;

NAYS: Jean-Denis Garon, Bernard Généreux, Brian Masse, Jeremy Patzer, Rick Perkins, Michelle Rempel Garner — 6.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Motion

Rick Perkins moved, — That, given that a former federal public servant at Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada (ISED) pled guilty to criminal breach of trust for directing 72 sole-source contracts worth $231,663 to a company he owned, the committee hold two meetings on this topic, and invite the Minister of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), and ISED officials to better understand this fraudulent billing scheme that took place under this Liberal government.

Debate arose thereon.

At 10:15 a.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Miriam Burke
Clerk of the committee