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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 150
Thursday, December 5, 2024, 8:17 a.m. to 10:24 a.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Joël Lightbound, Chair (Liberal)

Library of Parliament
• Isaac Doucette, Analyst
• Dana Fan, Analyst
Canpay Software Inc.
• Ali Abou Daya, Chief Operating Officer
Consumers Council of Canada
• Michael Jenkin, Vice-President
Questrade Financial Group
• Edward Kholodenko, President and Chief Executive Officer
• Tanya Woods, Managing Director, Government and Regulatory Affairs
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Thursday, September 19, 2024, and the order of reference of Thursday, November 7, 2024, the committee resumed its study of credit card practices and regulations in Canada.

The witnesses made statements and answered questions.


Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, October 28, 2024, the committee resumed its study of examination of telecommunication companies service contract practices.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion of The Honourable Michelle Rempel Garner moved on Monday, December 2, 2024 which read as follows:

That the committee report to the House its disappointment in Rogers Communications Inc. for not proactively disclosing the true costs of their products and services to consumers, and notes the detrimental impact of the lack of competition in the telecommunications sector is having on Canadian consumers.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Ryan Turnbull moved, — That the motion be amended after the words “That the committee ” by replacing the words “report to the House its disappointment ” with the words “condemn”, and by adding after the words “Canadian consumers”, the following: “,and calls on the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) to do a full review of the matter of price certainty and the issue of surprise fees increasing during fixed term contracts, and urge that it take regulatory action.”.

A question was raised as to the admissibility of the amendment as the committee had previously voted on removing the words “report to the House”, and introduces a new proposition.

RULING BY THE CHAIR

The amendment is in order as it modifies the original motion to present a different proposition as an alternative to the original motion.

Whereupon, Michelle Rempel Garner appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was overturned on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Vance Badawey, Sophie Chatel, Iqwinder Gaheer, Ryan Turnbull, Tony Van Bynen — 5;

NAYS: Bernard Généreux, Brian Masse, Jeremy Patzer, Rick Perkins, Michelle Rempel Garner, Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay — 6.

At 9:59 a.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 10:03 a.m., the meeting resumed.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion of The Honourable Michelle Rempel Garner moved on Monday, December 2, 2024.

Amendment

By unanimous consent, Ryan Turnbull moved, — That the motion be amended by adding after the words “Canadian consumers”, the words “,and calls on the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) to do a full review of the matter of price certainty and the issue of surprise fees increasing during fixed term contracts, and urge that it take regulatory action.”.

Debate arose thereon.

Subamendment

Brian Masse moved, — That the amendment be amended by adding after the words “regulatoy action” the following: “and the Minister of Industry take all possible action in the interim to curb these unfair practices”.

At 10:15 a.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 10:18 a.m., the meeting resumed.

By unanimous consent, after debate, the question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That the committee report to the House its disappointment in Rogers Communications Inc. for not proactively disclosing the true costs of their products and services to consumers, and notes the detrimental impact of the lack of competition in the telecommunications sector is having on Canadian consumers, and calls on the the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) to do a full review of the matter of price certainty and the issue of surprise fees increasing during fixed term contracts, and urge that it take regulatory action, and that the Minister use his available powers in the interim to correct these unfair practices.

At 10:24 a.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Miriam Burke
Clerk of the committee