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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 47
Thursday, June 1, 2023, 11:00 a.m. to 1:32 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Lloyd Longfield, Chair (Liberal)

House of Commons
• Andrew Wilson, Procedural Clerk
 
Library of Parliament
• Kelsey Brennan, Analyst
• Grégoire Gayard, Analyst
University of Saskatchewan
• Debby Burshtyn, Dean, College of Graduate and Postdoctoral Studies
Colleges and Institutes Canada
• Anna Toneguzzo, Vice-President (Acting), Government and Stakeholder Partnerships
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(i) and the motion adopted by the committee on Tuesday, February 14, 2023, the committee resumed its study of the Government of Canada’s graduate scholarship and post-doctoral fellowship programs.

Anna Toneguzzo and Debby Burshtyn made statements.

Motion

Dan Mazier moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(i), the committee study the use of federal government research and development grants, funds, and contributions by Canadian universities and research institutions in partnerships with entities connected to the People’s Republic of China, in areas including, but not limited to:

  • photonics,
  • artificial intelligence,
  • quantum theory,
  • biopharmaceuticals,
  • and aerospace;
and including but not limited to, intellectual property transfers and developments with Huawei Technologies and the National University of Defense Technology; that the committee hear from the director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, the Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry, department officials, top research officials from Canadian universities, the federal granting agencies, and any other witnesses deemed relevant to the study; that the committee allocate a minimum of ten meetings to this study; and that the committee report its findings to the House

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Corey Tochor moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “ten meetings to this study” with the following: “six full meetings to this study;”, and by adding after “that the committee begin the study on June 20;".

Debate arose thereon.

At 11:52 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:00 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Subamendment

Ben Lobb moved, — That the amendment be amended by adding after the words “on June 20” with the following “the committee split the meetings for this study with the study of Long-term Impacts of Pay Gaps Experienced by Different Genders and Equity-seeking Groups Among Faculty at Canadian Universities, with this study being dedicated in the first hour;”.

Debate arose thereon.

At 12:10 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:44 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Motion

Chad Collins moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Valerie Bradford, Chad Collins, Lena Metlege Diab, Stéphane Lauzon, Charles Sousa — 5;

NAYS: Maxime Blanchette-Joncas, Richard Cannings, Ben Lobb, Dan Mazier, Gerald Soroka, Corey Tochor — 6.

The debate on the subamendment continued.

After debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Ben Lobb and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Maxime Blanchette-Joncas, Richard Cannings, Ben Lobb, Dan Mazier, Gerald Soroka, Corey Tochor — 6;

NAYS: Valerie Bradford, Chad Collins, Lena Metlege Diab, Stéphane Lauzon, Charles Sousa — 5.

The amendment, as amended, read as follows:

That the committee allocate a minimum of six full meetings to this study; that the committee begin the study on June 20; the committee split the meetings for this study with the study of Long-term Impacts of Pay Gaps Experienced by Different Genders and Equity-seeking Groups Among Faculty at Canadian Universities, with this study being dedicated in the first hour;.

Debate on the amendment of Corey Tochor continued.

Subamendment

Chad Collins moved, — That the amendment be amended by replacing the words “six full meetings to this study” with the following: “four full meetings to this study;”.

Debate arose thereon.

After debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Chad Collins and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Maxime Blanchette-Joncas, Valerie Bradford, Richard Cannings, Chad Collins, Majid Jowhari, Ben Lobb, Dan Mazier, Randeep Sarai, Gerald Soroka, Charles Sousa, Corey Tochor — 11;

NAYS: — 0.

The amendment, as amended, read as follows:

That the committee allocate a minimum of four full meetings to this study; that the committee begin the study on June 20; the committee split the meetings for this study with the study of Long-term Impacts of Pay Gaps Experienced by Different Genders and Equity-seeking Groups Among Faculty at Canadian Universities, with this study being dedicated in the first hour;.

Debate on the amendment of Corey Tochor continued.

The question was put on the amendment of Corey Tochor and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Maxime Blanchette-Joncas, Richard Cannings, Ben Lobb, Dan Mazier, Gerald Soroka, Corey Tochor — 6;

NAYS: Valerie Bradford, Chad Collins, Lena Metlege Diab, Majid Jowhari, Charles Sousa — 5.

Debate on the motion of Dan Mazier continued.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(i), the committee study the use of federal government research and development grants, funds, and contributions by Canadian universities and research institutions in partnerships with entities connected to the People’s Republic of China, in areas including, but not limited to:

  • photonics,
  • artificial intelligence,
  • quantum theory,
  • biopharmaceuticals,
  • and aerospace;
and including but not limited to, intellectual property transfers and developments with Huawei Technologies and the National University of Defense Technology; that the committee hear from the director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, the Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry, department officials, top research officials from Canadian universities, the federal granting agencies, and any other witnesses deemed relevant to the study; that the committee allocate a minimum of four full meetings to this study; that the committee begin the study on June 20; the committee split the meetings for this study with the study of Long-term Impacts of Pay Gaps Experienced by Different Genders and Equity-seeking Groups Among Faculty at Canadian Universities, with this study being dedicated in the first hour; and that the committee report its findings to the House.

Debate on the motion of Dan Mazier continued.

Amendment

Chad Collins moved, — That the motion be amended by deleting the words “with Huawei Technologies and”.

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the amendment of Chad Collins and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Valerie Bradford, Chad Collins, Randeep Sarai, Charles Sousa, Sameer Zuberi — 5;

NAYS: Maxime Blanchette-Joncas, Richard Cannings, Ben Lobb, Dan Mazier, Gerald Soroka, Corey Tochor — 6.

Amendment

Chad Collins moved, — That the motion be amended by adding the following words “and that, pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee request that the government table a comprehensive response to the report” after the words “that the committee report its findings to the House.”.

Debate arose thereon.

At 1:32 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Hilary Smyth
Clerk of the committee