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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 130
Tuesday, October 1, 2024, 3:46 p.m. to 6:32 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
John Brassard, Chair (Conservative)

Library of Parliament
• Alexandra Savoie, Analyst
• Maxime-Olivier Thibodeau, Analyst
As an individual
• Benjamin Fung, Professor and Canada Research Chair, McGill University
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
• Jon Bateman, Senior Fellow and Co-Director, Technology and International Affairs Program
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(h) and the motion adopted by the committee on Tuesday, February 13, 2024, the committee resumed its study of the impact of disinformation and of misinformation on the work of parliamentarians.

Jon Bateman and Benjamin Fung made statements and answered questions.

The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

Motion

Michael Barrett moved, — That, given that,

(i) the Prime Minister recently appointed Mark Carney as the Chair of the Liberal Party’s Task Force on Economic Growth;

(ii) Mark Carney is the Chair of Brookfield Corporation, a multinational investment management company that owns Sagen, the second largest mortgage insurer in Canada;

(iii) on the first day of Mark Carney’s appointment, the Liberal Government announced major changes to the regulation of mortgage insurance in Canada, allowing for bigger and longer loans; and

(iv) this tremendously benefitted Brookfield, evidenced by their stock price hitting a 6 month high;

pursuant to Standing Order 108(1)(a), the committee call upon Mark Carney to testify before the committee within 14 days of the adoption of this motion.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Brenda Shanahan moved, —

That the motion be amended:

(a) by adding, after the words “6-months high;” the words “and, given that,:

(i) Jenni Byrne, who is the well-known special advisor to Pierre Poilievre as well as a registered lobbyist for Grocery multinational Loblaws at a time that the Poilievre conservatives are voting against every Liberal government measure to make grocery prices more affordable for Canadians;

(ii) and that Jenni Byrne, who regularly attends caucus meetings and daily morning strategy calls, is not listed as an employee in Pierre Poilievre's office to shield her from public disclosure and conflict of interest laws;

(iii) and that Jenni Byrne established a second lobbying firm working from the same office as Jenni Byrne + Associates to circumvent federal lobbying laws;”

(b) by adding, after the words "call upon Mark Carney" the words "and Jenni Byrne"; and

(c) by adding after the words "testify before the committee" the words "for two hours each" and (d) by replacing the words "14 days" with the words "14 calendar days"

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At 5:02 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 5:14 p.m., the meeting resumed.

The debate continued.

At 5:31 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 5:51 p.m., the meeting resumed.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Brenda Shanahan and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Parm Bains, Darren Fisher, Matthew Green, Anthony Housefather, Iqra Khalid, Brenda Shanahan, René Villemure — 7;

NAYS: Frank Caputo, Michael Cooper, John Williamson — 3.

Amendment

Frank Caputo moved, —

That the motion as amended be amended:

(a) by deleting the words: “Given that;

(i) The Prime Minister recently appointed Mark Carney as the Chair of the Liberal Party’s Task Force on Economic Growth;

(ii) Mark Carney is the Chair of Brookfield Corporation, a multinational investment management company that owns Sagen, the second largest mortgage insurer in Canada;

(iii) on the first day of Mark Carney’s appointment, the Liberal Government announced major changes to the regulation of mortgage insurance in Canada, allowing for bigger and longer loans;

(iv) this tremendously benefitted Brookfield, evidenced by their stock price hitting a 6 month high;

and given that:

(i) Jenni Byrne, who is the well-known special advisor to Pierre Poilievre as well as a registered lobbyist for Grocery multinational Loblaws at a time that the Poilievre conservatives are voting against every Liberal government measure to make grocery prices more affordable for Canadians;

(ii) and that Jenni Byrne, who regularly attends caucus meetings and daily morning strategy calls, is not listed as an employee in Pierre Poilievre's office to shield her from public disclosure and conflict of interest laws;

(iii) and that Jenni Byrne established a second lobbying firm working from the same office as Jenni Byrne + Associates to circumvent federal lobbying laws;”;

(b) by replacing the words “pursuant to Standing Order 108(1)(a), the committee call upon Mark Carney and Jenni Byrne to testify before the committee for two hours each within 14 calendar days of the adoption of this motion.” with the following: “pursuant to Standing Order 108(1)(a), the committee call upon Mark Carney to appear for two-hours, as well as Gurratan Singh and Jenni Byrne for one hour each to testify before the committee, within 14 calendar days of the adoption of this motion.”

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Debate arose thereon.

At 6:32 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Nancy Vohl
Clerk of the committee