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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 140
Thursday, November 21, 2024, 3:54 p.m. to 6:13 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
John Brassard, Chair (Conservative)

• Colin Carrie for Michael Barrett (Conservative)
• Adam Chambers for Michael Cooper (Conservative)
• James Maloney for Darren Fisher (Liberal)
• Gerald Soroka for Frank Caputo (Conservative)
Library of Parliament
• Alexandra Savoie, Analyst
• Maxime-Olivier Thibodeau, Analyst
• Hon. Marie-Claude Bibeau, P.C., M.P., Minister of National Revenue
Canada Revenue Agency
• Sophie Galarneau, Assistant Commissioner, Public Affairs Branch and Chief Privacy Officer
• Harry Gill, Assistant Commissioner, Security Branch and Agency Security Officer
• Bob Hamilton, Commissioner of Revenue
• Marc Lemieux, Assistant Commissioner, Collections and Verification Branch
• Gillian Pranke, Assistant Commissioner, Assessment, Benefit and Service Branch
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(h) and the motion adopted by the committee on Tuesday, October 29, 2024, the committee commenced its study of privacy breaches at the Canada Revenue Agency.

The Minister made a statement and, with Bob Hamilton, answered questions.

At 4:57 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 5:02 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Bob Hamilton made a statement and, with Marc Lemieux and Sophie Galarneau, answered questions.

Motion

René Villemure moved, —

Whereas on November 6, 2024, the Liberal government announced the closure of the Canadian subsidiary of the social network TikTok, the committee invite to testify:

(a) For two hours, François-Philippe Champagne, Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry;

(b) For one hour each:

(i) David Vigneault, former Director of CSIS; and

(ii) Philippe Dufresne, Privacy Commissioner of Canada;

That the Committee report its observations and conclusions to the House of Commons.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Iqra Khalid moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing, in section (b) (i), the words “David Vigneault, former Director of CSIS” with the words “Daniel Rogers, current Director of CSIS”.

Debate arose thereon.

Subamendment

René Villemure moved, — That the amendment be amended by adding after the words “Daniel Rogers, current Director of CSIS” the following: “and David Vigneault, former Director of CSIS”.

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the subamendment and the result of the vote was announced:

YEAS: Michael Barrett, Adam Chambers, Matthew Green, Gerald Soroka, René Villemure — 5;

NAYS: Parm Bains, Anthony Housefather, Iqra Khalid, James Maloney, Brenda Shanahan — 5.

Whereupon, the Chair voted in the affirmative.

Accordingly, the subamendment was agreed to.

The question was put on the amendment of Iqra Khalid, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Parm Bains, Michael Barrett, Adam Chambers, Matthew Green, Anthony Housefather, Iqra Khalid, James Maloney, Brenda Shanahan, Gerald Soroka, René Villemure — 10;

NAYS: — 0.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Parm Bains, Michael Barrett, Adam Chambers, Matthew Green, Anthony Housefather, Iqra Khalid, James Maloney, Brenda Shanahan, Gerald Soroka, René Villemure — 10;

NAYS: — 0.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

Whereas on November 6, 2024, the Liberal government announced the closure of the Canadian subsidiary of the social network TikTok, that the committee invite to testify:

(a) For two hours, François-Philippe Champagne, Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry;

(b) For one hour each:

(i) Daniel Rogers, current Director of CSIS and David Vigneault, former Director of CSIS; and

(ii) Philippe Dufresne, Privacy Commissioner of Canada;

That the Committee report its observations and conclusions to the House of Commons.

At 6:13 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Nancy Vohl
Clerk of the committee