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Minutes of Proceedings

Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics (ETHI)
44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 33
Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 3:02 p.m. to 4:50 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Pat Kelly, Chair (Conservative)

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• Sukh Dhaliwal for Parm Bains (Liberal)
• Jasraj Singh Hallan for Damien C. Kurek (Conservative)
• Brenda Shanahan for Ya'ara Saks (Liberal)
• Anita Vandenbeld for Hon. Greg Fergus (Liberal)
Library of Parliament
• Sabrina Charland, Analyst
• Raphaëlle Deraspe, Analyst
Device Investigation Tools Used by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP)
As an individual
• Ronald J. Deibert, Professor of Political Science, and Director, Citizen Lab, Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy, University of Toronto
• Michel Juneau-Katsuya, Expert and Researcher on National Security and Intelligence
Canadian Civil Liberties Association
• Brenda McPhail, Director, Privacy, Technology and Surveillance Program
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(h) and the motion adopted by the committee on Tuesday, July 26, 2022, the committee resumed its study of device investigation tools used by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP).

The witnesses made statements and answered questions.

Motion

Lisa Hepfner moved, — That the committee affirm that it is satisfied that the RCMP is not using Pegasus or NSO Group technology; that the use of ODITs is reserved for only the most serious cases; that the approval of a request to use ODITs comes with strict terms and conditions, and must be ultimately approved by a superior court judge; that the use of these tools without judicial authorization would be a criminal offence; and that the committee supports the RCMP in their mandate to protect Canadians from terrorism, human and drug trafficking, money laundering, and murder, while ensuring accountability.

Debate arose thereon.

Motion

Matthew Green moved, — That the committee do now adjourn.

The question was put on the motion and the result of the vote was announced:

YEAS: James Bezan, Matthew Green, Jasraj Singh Hallan, René Villemure, Ryan Williams — 5;

NAYS: Sukh Dhaliwal, Lisa Hepfner, Iqra Khalid, Brenda Shanahan, Anita Vandenbeld — 5.

Whereupon, the Chair voted in the affirmative.

Accordingly, the motion was agreed to.

At 4:50 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Michael MacPherson
Committee clerk