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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 158
Wednesday, December 11, 2024, 4:33 p.m. to 6:33 p.m.
In Camera
Presiding
John Williamson, Chair (Conservative)

• Garnett Genuis for Jake Stewart (Conservative)
• Damien C. Kurek for John Nater (Conservative)
• Philip Lawrence for Jake Stewart (Conservative)
• Tony Van Bynen for Jean Yip (Liberal)
• Karen Vecchio for John Nater (Conservative)
Library of Parliament
• Mahdi Benmoussa, Analyst
• Dillan Theckedath, Analyst
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(g), the committee resumed consideration of the Report 7, Modernizing Information Technology Systems of the 2023 Reports 5 to 9 of the Auditor General of Canada, referred to the committee on Thursday, October 19, 2023.

The committee commenced consideration of a draft report.

It was agreed, — That the draft report, as amended,]be adopted.

It was agreed, — That the report be entitled: "That the report be entitled: "Modernizing Information Technology Systems".

It was agreed, — That the Chair, clerk and analysts be authorized to make such grammatical and editorial changes as may be necessary without changing the substance of the report.

It was agreed, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee request that the government table a comprehensive response to the report.

It was agreed, — That dissenting or supplementary opinions be in Calibri 12-point font, left aligned, single-spaced, and be submitted electronically, in both official languages, to the clerk of the committee, not later than 5:00 p.m. on Wednesday, December 18, 2024.

ORDERED, — That the clerk and analysts of the committee, in consultation with the Chair, prepare a news release for publication on the committee’s website and for distribution upon presentation of the report to the House.

ORDERED, — That the Chair present the report to the House.

The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

It was agreed, — That the committee resume consideration of the motion moved by Iqra Khalid on Wednesday, December 4, 2024, which read as follows:

That, notwithstanding any previous decision of the committee, in relation to the committee’s future business, it be agreed that:

  1. Any further meetings on Report 8, Canada Emergency Business Account, take place after January 27, 2025;
  2. One meeting be dedicated to the study of Report 1, ArriveCAN
  3. At the conclusion of the meeting on Report 1, ArriveCAN, no more meetings be conducted to hear from witnesses in relation to Report 1, ArriveCAN;
  4. Two meetings be dedicated to the study of Report 6, Sustainable Development Technology Canada for the purposes of hearing from Zoë Kolbuc, Andrew Noseworthy, and the Minister of Innovation, Science, and Industry;
  5. At the conclusion of the second meeting on Report 6, Sustainable Development Technology Canada, no more meetings be conducted to hear from witnesses in relation to Report 6, Sustainable Development Technology Canada;
  6. Two meetings be dedicated to Report 11, Programs to Assist Seniors;
  7. Two meetings be dedicated to Report 9, Digital Validation of Identity to Access Services;
  8. The Chair schedule at least two meetings for the consideration of draft reports; and,
  9. Notwithstanding a meeting called pursuant to Standing Order 106(4), no meetings of the committee or subcommittee be held during Parliament’s adjournment from December 18th, 2024 to January 26, 2025.

and of the amendment of John Nater moved on Monday, December 9, 2024, which read as follows:

That the motion be amended by replacing the words “That, notwithstanding any previous decision of the committee, in relation to the committee’s future business, it be agreed that:

  1. Any further meetings on Report 8, Canada Emergency Business Account, take place after January 27, 2025; 2.
  2. One meeting be dedicated to the study of Report 1, ArriveCAN 3.
  3. At the conclusion of the meeting on Report 1, ArriveCAN, no more meetings be conducted to hear from witnesses in relation to Report 1, ArriveCAN; 4.
  4. Two meetings be dedicated to the study of Report 6, Sustainable Development Technology Canada for the purposes of hearing from Zoë Kolbuc, Andrew Noseworthy, and the Minister of Innovation, Science, and Industry;
  5. At the conclusion of the second meeting on Report 6, Sustainable Development Technology Canada, no more meetings be conducted to hear from witnesses in relation to Report 6, Sustainable Development Technology Canada;
  6. Two meetings be dedicated to Report 11, Programs to Assist Seniors;
  7. Two meetings be dedicated to Report 9, Digital Validation of Identity to Access Services;
  8. The Chair schedule at least two meetings for the consideration of draft reports; and,
  9. Notwithstanding a meeting called pursuant to Standing Order 106(4), no meetings of the committee or subcommittee be held during Parliament’s adjournment from December 18th, 2024 to January 26, 2025."

with the following: “That, notwithstanding any previous decision of the committee, in relation to the committee’s future business, it be agreed that:

  1. Any further meetings on Report 8, Canada Emergency Business Account, take place after January 6, 2025;
  2. One meeting be dedicated to the study of Report 1, ArriveCAN;
  3. At the conclusion of the meeting on Report 1, ArriveCAN, the committee give drafting instructions to the analysts on Report 1, ArriveCAN;
  4. Two meetings be dedicated to the study of Report 6, Sustainable Development Technology Canada for the purposes of hearing from Zoë Kolbuc, Andrew Noseworthy, and the Minister of Innovation, Science, and Industry;
  5. At the conclusion of the second meeting on Report 6, Sustainable Development Technology Canada, no more meetings be conducted to hear from witnesses in relation to Report 6, Sustainable Development Technology Canada, provided all the aforementioned witnesses have appeared;
  6. Two meetings be dedicated to Report 11, Programs to Assist Seniors;
  7. Two meetings be dedicated to Report 9, Digital Validation of Identity to Access Services; and
  8. The Chair schedule at least two meetings for the consideration of draft reports”

and of the subamendment of Garnett Genuis moved on Monday, December 9, 2024, which read as follows:

That the amendment be amended by adding after the words “January 6, 2025” the following: “or a carbon tax election, whichever comes first”

At 5:35 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 5:39 p.m., the meeting resumed.

At 6:33 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Hilary Smyth
Clerk of the committee