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Minutes of Proceedings

Standing Committee on Public Accounts (PACP)
44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 129
Thursday, June 6, 2024, 3:30 p.m. to 6:30 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
John Williamson, Chair (Conservative)

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• Shafqat Ali for Patrick Weiler (Liberal)
• Larry Brock for Arnold Viersen (Conservative)
• Paul Chiang for Iqra Khalid (Liberal)
• Francis Drouin for Patrick Weiler (Liberal)
• Garnett Genuis for Jake Stewart (Conservative)
• Matthew Green for Blake Desjarlais (NDP)
• Eric Melillo for Jake Stewart (Conservative)
• Jeremy Patzer for Jake Stewart (Conservative)
Library of Parliament
• Mahdi Benmoussa, Analyst
• Dillan Theckedath, Analyst
Report 2, Housing in First Nations Communities, of the 2024 Reports 2 to 4 of the Auditor General of Canada
• Hon. Patty Hajdu, P.C., M.P., Minister of Indigenous Services
Department of Indigenous Services
• Gina Wilson, Deputy Minister
• Paula Hadden-Jokiel, Assistant Deputy Minister, Regional Operations Sector
• Nelson Barbosa, Director General, Regional Operations
• Tom Wong, Chief Medical Officer, Chief Science Officer and Director General
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(g), the committee commenced consideration of Report 2, Housing in First Nations Communities, of the 2024 Reports 2 to 4 of the Auditor General of Canada referred to the committee on Tuesday, March 19, 2024.

The Minister made a statement and, with the other witnesses, answered questions.

At 4:40 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 4:44 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Report 1, ArriveCAN, of the 2024 Reports of the Auditor General of Canada
• Hon. Bill Blair, P.C., M.P., Minister of National Defence
Department of National Defence
• Stefanie Beck, Deputy Minister
• Troy Crosby, Assistant Deputy Minister, Materiel Group
• Isabelle Desmartis, Assistant Deputy Minister, Human Resources – Civilian
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(g), the committee resumed consideration of the Report 1, ArriveCAN, referred to the committee on Monday, February 12, 2024.

At 5:47 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 5:58 p.m., the meeting resumed.

The Minister made a statement and, with the other witnesses, answered questions.

Committee Business
The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

Motion

John Nater moved, — Given the Auditor General’s Report 6, 2024, on Sustainable Development Technology Canada (SDTC) which revealed “significant lapses in governance and stewardship of public funds” and rampant conflicts of interest among SDTC board members, pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(g), the committee commence a study on this audit and invite the following witnesses to testify before the House adjourns for the summer:

  • Francois-Philippe Champagne, Minister of Industry
  • Simon Kennedy, Deputy Minister of Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada
  • Francis Bilodeau, Assistant Deputy Minister of Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada
  • Paul Boothe, Acting Chair of Sustainable Development Technology Canada
  • Ziyad Rahme, Acting President of Sustainable Development Technology Canada
  • The anonymous whistleblower who appeared at the Industry Committee on this matter on Monday, December 11, 2023
  • Privy Council Secretariat responsible for appointments
  • Mitch Davies, President of the National Research Council
  • Konrad von Finckenstein, Ethics Commissioner

And the committee book extra resources as required to accommodate these witness appearances.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Matthew Green moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “And the committee book extra resources as required to accommodate these witness appearances.” with the following: “And the committee accommodate these witnesses during regular committee meetings.”.

Debate arose thereon.

At 6:09 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 6:23 p.m., the meeting resumed.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Matthew Green and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Valerie Bradford, Larry Brock, Matthew Green, Iqra Khalid, John Nater, Jeremy Patzer, Brenda Shanahan, Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné, Patrick Weiler, Jean Yip — 10;

NAYS: — 0.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Valerie Bradford, Larry Brock, Matthew Green, Iqra Khalid, John Nater, Jeremy Patzer, Brenda Shanahan, Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné, Patrick Weiler, Jean Yip — 10;

NAYS: — 0.

The motion, as amended, reads as follows:

Given the Auditor General’s Report 6, 2024, on Sustainable Development Technology Canada (SDTC) which revealed “significant lapses in governance and stewardship of public funds” and rampant conflicts of interest among SDTC board members, pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(g), the committee commence a study on this audit and invite the following witnesses to testify before the House adjourns for the summer:

  • Francois-Philippe Champagne, Minister of Industry
  • Simon Kennedy, Deputy Minister of Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada
  • Francis Bilodeau, Assistant Deputy Minister of Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada
  • Paul Boothe, Acting Chair of Sustainable Development Technology Canada
  • Ziyad Rahme, Acting President of Sustainable Development Technology Canada
  • The anonymous whistleblower who appeared at the Industry Committee on this matter on Monday, December 11, 2023
  • Privy Council Secretariat responsible for appointments
  • Mitch Davies, President of the National Research Council
  • Konrad von Finckenstein, Ethics Commissioner

And the committee accommodate these witnesses during regular committee meetings.

At 6:30 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Hilary Smyth
Clerk of the committee