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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 57
Monday, April 17, 2023, 11:01 a.m. to 1:01 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
John Williamson, Chair (Conservative)

House of Commons
• Carine Grand-Jean, Procedural Clerk
 
Library of Parliament
• André Léonard, Analyst
• Dillan Theckedath, Analyst
The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

Motion

Garnett Genuis moved, — That, given that (i) the Pierre Elliott Trudeau Foundation received a $125-million taxpayer funded payment in 2002, when the Foundation was created, by a former Liberal government, (ii) the President and CEO and a majority of the Board of Directors of the Foundation resigned recently, (iii) the Foundation was reported to be incapable of repaying a large donation received from a wealthy individual connected to the CCP regime in Beijing because the donor's true identity is not known, (iv) the Canadian Security Intelligence Service had uncovered a plot by the CCP regime in Beijing to donate to the Foundation, and (v) it has been reported by media that some Foundation directors had considered calling in the Auditor General, the committee undertake a study concerning the Pierre Elliott Trudeau Foundation and its governance and funding, as well as the management of its taxpayer-funded endowment, provided that the committee hear testimony from (a) Morris Rosenberg, former President and CEO of the Pierre Elliott Trudeau Foundation, (b) Pascale Fournier, former President and CEO of the Pierre Elliott Trudeau Foundation, (c) the Auditor General of Canada, (d) the Minister of National Revenue, (e) the Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry, (f) Bob Hamilton, the Commissioner and Chief Executive Officer of the Canada Revenue Agency, (g) Sharmila Khare, Director General of the Canada Revenue Agency's Charities Directorate, and (h) other witnesses as deemed necessary by the committee.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Kelly McCauley moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “it has been reported by media that some Foundation directors had considered calling in the Auditor General” with “the Foundation wrote to the Auditor General to investigate donations from a wealthy individual connected to the CCP Regime” and by replacing “and (h) other witnesses as deemed necessary by the committee.” with “(h) Edward Johnson, Bruce McKinnon and Peter Sahlas, from the Board of the Directors for the Pierre Eliott-Trudeau-Foundation and (i) other witnesses as deemed necessary by the committee”.

Debate arose thereon.

At 11:21 a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:24 a.m., the sitting resumed.

Motion

Peter Fragiskatos moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Valerie Bradford, Blake Desjarlais, Peter Fragiskatos, Brenda Shanahan, Maninder Sidhu, Jean Yip — 6;

NAYS: Garnett Genuis, Michael Kram, Kelly McCauley, Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné — 4.

Garnett Genuis gave notice of the following motion:

That the committee report to the House that it calls on the Auditor General to conduct a fulsome audit of the Pierre Elliott Trudeau Foundation, with a focus on foreign interference.

Canadian Air Transport Security Authority
• Nada Semaan, President and Chief Executive Officer
• Louise Alberelli, General Manager, Operational Programs
• Rhoda Boyd, General Manager, Communications
Canadian Transportation Agency
• France Pégeot, Chair and Chief Executive Officer
• Tom Oommen, Director General, Analysis and Outreach Branch
Office of the Auditor General
• Karen Hogan, Auditor General
• Milan Duvnjak, Principal
• Susie Fortier, Director
VIA Rail Canada Inc.
• Marie-Claude Cardin, Chief Financial Officer
• Catherine Langlois, Senior Advisor, Universal Accessibility
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(g), the committee commenced consideration of Report 1, Accessible Transportation for Persons With Disabilities, of the 2023 Reports 1 to 4 of the Auditor General of Canada, referred to the committee on Monday, March 27, 2023.

Karen Hogan, Nada Semaan, France Pégeot and Marie-Claude Cardin made statements and, with Catherine Langlois and Susie Fortier, answered questions.

At 1:01 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Cédric Taquet
Clerk of the committee