Karen Hogan and Chris Forbes made statements and, with the other witnesses, answered questions.

Francis Drouin moved, — That the committee resume consideration of the motion moved by Iqra Khalid on Wednesday, December 4, 2024, which read as follows:

That, notwithstanding any previous decision of the committee, in relation to the committee’s future business, it be agreed that:

1. Any further meetings on Report 8, Canada Emergency Business Account, take place after January 27, 2025;
2. One meeting be dedicated to the study of Report 1, ArriveCAN
3. At the conclusion of the meeting on Report 1, ArriveCAN, no more meetings be conducted to hear from witnesses in relation to Report 1, ArriveCAN;
4. Two meetings be dedicated to the study of Report 6, Sustainable Development Technology Canada for the purposes of hearing from Zoë Kolbuc, Andrew Noseworthy, and the Minister of Innovation, Science, and Industry;
5. At the conclusion of the second meeting on Report 6, Sustainable Development Technology Canada, no more meetings be conducted to hear from witnesses in relation to Report 6, Sustainable Development Technology Canada;
6. Two meetings be dedicated to Report 11, Programs to Assist Seniors;
7. Two meetings be dedicated to Report 9, Digital Validation of Identity to Access Services;
8. The Chair schedule at least two meetings for the consideration of draft reports; and,
9. Notwithstanding a meeting called pursuant to Standing Order 106(4), no meetings of the committee or subcommittee be held during Parliament’s adjournment from December 18th, 2024 to January 26, 2025.
   
   

and of the amendment of John Nater moved on Wednesday, December 4, 2024, which read as follows:

That the motion be amended by replacing the words "January 27, 2025" with the words “December 5, 2024”.

At 11:24 a.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 11:26 a.m., the meeting resumed.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Valerie Bradford, Richard Cannings, Francis Drouin, Nathaniel Erskine-Smith, Iqra Khalid, Jean Yip — 6;

NAYS: Kelly McCauley, John Nater, Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné, Jake Stewart — 4.

Debate arose thereon.

At 11:31 a.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 11:36 a.m., the meeting resumed.

A point of order was raised as to the procedural acceptability of the amendment.

RULING BY THE CHAIR

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment admissible as any future meeting would take place after the date proposed in the amendment.

Whereupon, Francis Drouin appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the chair be sustained?" was put and was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Richard Cannings, Kelly McCauley, John Nater, Jake Stewart— 4;

NAYS: Valerie Bradford, Francis Drouin, Nathaniel Erskine-Smith, Iqra Khalid, Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné, Jean Yip— 6.

The committee resumed debate on the motion of Iqra Khalid, moved on Wednesday, December 4, 2024.

John Nater moved, —

That the motion be amended by replacing the words “That, notwithstanding any previous decision of the committee, in relation to the committee’s future business, it be agreed that:

1. Any further meetings on Report 8, Canada Emergency Business Account, take place after January 27, 2025;
2. One meeting be dedicated to the study of Report 1, ArriveCAN
3. At the conclusion of the meeting on Report 1, ArriveCAN, no more meetings be conducted to hear from witnesses in relation to Report 1, ArriveCAN;
4. Two meetings be dedicated to the study of Report 6, Sustainable Development Technology Canada for the purposes of hearing from Zoë Kolbuc, Andrew Noseworthy, and the Minister of Innovation, Science, and Industry;
5. At the conclusion of the second meeting on Report 6, Sustainable Development Technology Canada, no more meetings be conducted to hear from witnesses in relation to Report 6, Sustainable Development Technology Canada;
6. Two meetings be dedicated to Report 11, Programs to Assist Seniors;
7. Two meetings be dedicated to Report 9, Digital Validation of Identity to Access Services;
8. The Chair schedule at least two meetings for the consideration of draft reports; and,
9. Notwithstanding a meeting called pursuant to Standing Order 106(4), no meetings of the committee or subcommittee be held during Parliament’s adjournment from December 18th, 2024 to January 26, 2025."
   
   

with the following: “That, notwithstanding any previous decision of the committee, in relation to the committee’s future business, it be agreed that:

1. Any further meetings on Report 8, Canada Emergency Business Account, take place after January 6, 2025;
2. One meeting be dedicated to the study of Report 1, ArriveCAN;
3. At the conclusion of the meeting on Report 1, ArriveCAN, the committee give drafting instructions to the analysts on Report 1, ArriveCAN;
4. Two meetings be dedicated to the study of Report 6, Sustainable Development Technology Canada for the purposes of hearing from Zoë Kolbuc, Andrew Noseworthy, and the Minister of Innovation, Science, and Industry;
5. At the conclusion of the second meeting on Report 6, Sustainable Development Technology Canada, no more meetings be conducted to hear from witnesses in relation to Report 6, Sustainable Development Technology Canada, provided all the aforementioned witnesses have appeared;
6. Two meetings be dedicated to Report 11, Programs to Assist Seniors;
7. Two meetings be dedicated to Report 9, Digital Validation of Identity to Access Services; and
8. The Chair schedule at least two meetings for the consideration of draft reports”

At 12:15 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 12:21 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Debate arose thereon

Garnett Genuis moved, — That the amendment be amended by adding after the words “January 6, 2025” the following: “or a carbon tax election, whichever comes first”.

Debate arose thereon.