It was agreed, — That the evidence to be given by Darren Anthony in relation to study of the ArriveCAN application be taken under oath or by solemn affirmation.

Darren Anthony, duly sworn in, made a statement and answered questions.

At 12:02 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 12:15 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Questioning of the witness resumed.

Charles Sousa moved, — That the committee invites the President of the Treasury Board and the Minister of Public Services and Procurement, to appear for one hour and a half, as well as officials, to appear for two hours regarding the 2023-2024 Supplementary Estimates (C), the 2024-2025 Main Estimates, and the 2024-25 Departmental Plans, and that the meeting take place on Wednesday, March 20th, 2024.

Debate arose thereon.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That the Committee invites the President of the Treasury Board, the Minister of Public Service and Procurement Canada and the President, Canada Border Services Agency, Erin O’Gorman, to appear for one hour and a half each, as well as officials, regarding the 2023-2024 Supplementary Estimates (C), the Main Estimate 2024- 2025, and their respective Departmental Plans, and that the meeting take place on Wednesday, March 20, 2024.

The debate on the motion, as amended, continued.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That the Committee invites the President of the Treasury Board, the Minister of Public Service and Procurement Canada and the President, Canada Border Services Agency, Erin O’Gorman, to each appear separately for one hour and a half, as well as officials, regarding the 2023-2024 Supplementary Estimates (C), the Main Estimate 2024- 2025, and their respective Departmental Plans, and that the meeting take place on Wednesday, March 20, 2024.

At 1:44 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 1:49 p.m., the sitting resumed in public.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion, as amended, of Charles Sousa, which read as follows:

That the Committee invites the President of the Treasury Board, the Minister of Public Service and Procurement Canada and the President, Canada Border Services Agency, Erin O’Gorman, to each appear separately for one hour and a half, as well as officials, regarding the 2023-2024 Supplementary Estimates (C), the Main Estimate 2024- 2025, and their respective Departmental Plans, and that the meeting take place on Wednesday, March 20, 2024.

and of the amendment of Garnett Genuis, which read as follows:

That the motion be amended by deleting the words “the Main Estimate 2024- 2025, and their respective Departmental Plans”.

The debate continued.

At 1:52 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 1:56 p.m., the sitting resumed in public.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion, as amended, of Charles Sousa, which read as follows:

That the Committee invites the President of the Treasury Board, the Minister of Public Service and Procurement Canada and the President, Canada Border Services Agency, Erin O’Gorman, to each appear separately for one hour and a half, as well as officials, regarding the 2023-2024 Supplementary Estimates (C), the Main Estimate 2024- 2025, and their respective Departmental Plans, and that the meeting take place on Wednesday, March 20, 2024.

and of the amendment of Garnett Genuis, which read as follows:

That the motion be amended by deleting the words “the Main Estimate 2024- 2025, and their respective Departmental Plans”.

The debate continued.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That the Committee invites the President of the Treasury Board, the Minister of Public Service and Procurement Canada and the President, Canada Border Services Agency, Erin O’Gorman, to each appear separately for one hour and a half, as well as officials, regarding the 2023-2024 Supplementary Estimates (C), and that the meeting take place on Wednesday, March 20, 2024.

The debate on the motion, as amended, continued.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That the Committee invites the President of the Treasury Board, the Minister of Public Service and Procurement Canada and the President, Canada Border Services Agency, Erin O’Gorman, to each appear separately for one hour, as well as officials, regarding the 2023-2024 Supplementary Estimates (C), and that the meeting take place on Wednesday, March 20, 2024.

The question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Parm Bains, Majid Jowhari, Bryan May, Sonia Sidhu, Charles Sousa, Julie Vignola — 6;

NAYS: Taylor Bachrach, Kelly Block, Larry Brock, Garnett Genuis — 4.

Questioning of the witness resumed.

Garnett Genuis moved, — That the Chair report to the House that, in light of the evidence of Darren Anthony, Chief Security Officer for GC Strategies, that he did not vet or review ArriveCAN subcontracts awarded by GC Strategies, and given that the Auditor General found “some resources that were involved in the security assessments were not identified in the task authorizations and did not have security clearance,” as submitted by GC Strategies, and that the Canada Border Services Agency “was unable to provide any supporting documentation to confirm that work related to the security assessments was performed by 4 of the 5 resources listed,” the Committee calls upon the Privacy Commissioner to conduct an investigation of the ArriveCAN app, including the work of all contractors and subcontractors, and determine whether the privacy and personal information of Canadians was adequately protected, with a view to presenting a special report to Parliament.

Debate arose thereon.

At 2:41 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 2:49 p.m., the sitting resumed in public.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion of Garnett Genuis, — That the Chair report to the House that, in light of the evidence of Darren Anthony, Chief Security Officer for GC Strategies, that he did not vet or review ArriveCAN subcontracts awarded by GC Strategies, and given that the Auditor General found “some resources that were involved in the security assessments were not identified in the task authorizations and did not have security clearance,” as submitted by GC Strategies, and that the Canada Border Services Agency “was unable to provide any supporting documentation to confirm that work related to the security assessments was performed by 4 of the 5 resources listed,” the Committee calls upon the Privacy Commissioner to conduct an investigation of the ArriveCAN app, including the work of all contractors and subcontractors, and determine whether the privacy and personal information of Canadians was adequately protected, with a view to presenting a special report to Parliament.

The debate continued.

Charles Sousa moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and the result of the vote was announced:

YEAS: Shafqat Ali, Parm Bains, Majid Jowhari, Sonia Sidhu, Charles Sousa — 5;

NAYS: Taylor Bachrach, Michael Barrett, Larry Brock, Garnett Genuis, Julie Vignola — 5.

Whereupon, the Chair voted in the negative.

Accordingly, the motion was negatived.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion of Garnett Genuis, — That the Chair report to the House that, in light of the evidence of Darren Anthony, Chief Security Officer for GC Strategies, that he did not vet or review ArriveCAN subcontracts awarded by GC Strategies, and given that the Auditor General found “some resources that were involved in the security assessments were not identified in the task authorizations and did not have security clearance,” as submitted by GC Strategies, and that the Canada Border Services Agency “was unable to provide any supporting documentation to confirm that work related to the security assessments was performed by 4 of the 5 resources listed,” the Committee calls upon the Privacy Commissioner to conduct an investigation of the ArriveCAN app, including the work of all contractors and subcontractors, and determine whether the privacy and personal information of Canadians was adequately protected, with a view to presenting a special report to Parliament.

The debate continued.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion of Garnett Genuis, which read as follows:

That the Chair report to the House that, in light of the evidence of Darren Anthony, Chief Security Officer for GC Strategies, that he did not vet or review ArriveCAN subcontracts awarded by GC Strategies, and given that the Auditor General found “some resources that were involved in the security assessments were not identified in the task authorizations and did not have security clearance,” as submitted by GC Strategies, and that the Canada Border Services Agency “was unable to provide any supporting documentation to confirm that work related to the security assessments was performed by 4 of the 5 resources listed,” the Committee calls upon the Privacy Commissioner to conduct an investigation of the ArriveCAN app, including the work of all contractors and subcontractors, and determine whether the privacy and personal information of Canadians was adequately protected, with a view to presenting a special report to Parliament.

and of the amendment of Charles Sousa, which read as follows:

That the motion be amended by replacing the words “calls upon” with the words “requests”.

The debate continued.

At 3:04 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 3:27 p.m., the sitting resumed in public.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion of Garnett Genuis, which read as follows:

That the Chair report to the House that, in light of the evidence of Darren Anthony, Chief Security Officer for GC Strategies, that he did not vet or review ArriveCAN subcontracts awarded by GC Strategies, and given that the Auditor General found “some resources that were involved in the security assessments were not identified in the task authorizations and did not have security clearance,” as submitted by GC Strategies, and that the Canada Border Services Agency “was unable to provide any supporting documentation to confirm that work related to the security assessments was performed by 4 of the 5 resources listed,” the Committee calls upon the Privacy Commissioner to conduct an investigation of the ArriveCAN app, including the work of all contractors and subcontractors, and determine whether the privacy and personal information of Canadians was adequately protected, with a view to presenting a special report to Parliament.

and of the amendment of Charle Sousa, which read as follows:

That the motion be amended by replacing the words “calls upon” with the words “requests”.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That the Chair report to the House that, in light of the evidence of Darren Anthony, Chief Security Officer for GC Strategies, that he did not vet or review ArriveCAN subcontracts awarded by GC Strategies, and given that the Auditor General found “some resources that were involved in the security assessments were not identified in the task authorizations and did not have security clearance,” as submitted by GC Strategies, and that the Canada Border Services Agency “was unable to provide any supporting documentation to confirm that work related to the security assessments was performed by 4 of the 5 resources listed,” the Committee request the Privacy Commissioner to conduct an investigation of the ArriveCAN app, including the work of all contractors and subcontractors, and determine whether the privacy and personal information of Canadians was adequately protected, with a view to presenting a special report to Parliament.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

ORDERED, — That the Chair report to the House that, in light of the evidence of Darren Anthony, Chief Security Officer for GC Strategies, that he did not vet or review ArriveCAN subcontracts awarded by GC Strategies, and given that the Auditor General found “some resources that were involved in the security assessments were not identified in the task authorizations and did not have security clearance,” as submitted by GC Strategies, and that the Canada Border Services Agency “was unable to provide any supporting documentation to confirm that work related to the security assessments was performed by 4 of the 5 resources listed,” the Committee requests the Privacy Commissioner to conduct an investigation of the ArriveCAN app, including the work of all contractors and subcontractors, and determine whether the privacy and personal information of Canadians was adequately protected, with a view to presenting a special report to Parliament.