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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 138
Tuesday, September 17, 2024, 11:00 a.m. to 2:03 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Kelly McCauley, Chair (Conservative)

• Paul Chiang for Majid Jowhari (Liberal)
• Sébastien Lemire for Julie Vignola (Bloc Québécois)
• Bryan May for Charles Sousa (Liberal)
Library of Parliament
• Ryan van den Berg, Analyst
• Mahdi Benmoussa, Analyst
As an individual
• John Anderson
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Wednesday, February 7, 2024, the committee resumed its study of postal service in Canada’s rural and remote communities.

John Anderson made a statement and answered questions.

At 11:02 a.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 11:03 a.m., the meeting resumed.

Questioning of the witness resumed.

At 12:05 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 12:17 p.m., the meeting resumed.

The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

It was agreed, — That the proposed supplementary budget in the amount of $1000, for the study of postal service in Canada’s rural and remote communities, be adopted.

It was agreed, — That the proposed supplementary budget in the amount of $2000, for the study of federal government consulting contracts awarded to McKinsey & Company, be adopted.

Motion

Garnett Genuis moved, — That the committee study Indigenous Procurement and that as part of its study, the committee invite the Minister of Indigenous Services of Canada along with relevant officials, the Minister of Public Services and Procurement along with relevant officials, the Minister of Crown Indigenous relations with relevant officials, leaders of Indigenous nations and national Indigenous organizations, and other witnesses submitted to the chair by committee members.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Julie Vignola moved, — That the motion be amended by adding the words “; and that the committee hold at least four meetings (or eight hours of hearings)” after the words “committee members”.

Debate arose thereon.

At 12:27 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 12:31 p.m., the meeting resumed.

The debate continued

Subamendment

Irek Kusmierczyk moved, — That the amendment be amended by replacing the words “; and that the Committee hold at least four meetings (or eight hours of hearings)” with the words “; that the committee hold between eight and 12 hours of hearings”.

After debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Irek Kusmierczyk and it was agreed to on division.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Julie Vignola, as amended, and it was agreed to on division.

Amendment

Jenica Atwin moved, — That the motion be amended by deleting the words “the Minister of Public Services and Procurement along with relevant officials, the Minister of Crown Indigenous relations with relevant officials, leaders of Indigenous nations and national Indigenous organizations” and by adding the words ''; that the committee members submit witnesses for this study no later than Friday, September 20, 2024; that the committee report its findings and recommendations to the House; and that, pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee request that the government table a comprehensive response to the report'' after the words ''12 hours of hearings''.

Debate arose thereon.

At 12:50 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 12:53 p.m., the meeting resumed.

The debate continued

On motion of Garnett Genuis, it was agreed, — That the amendment reads as follow: ''That the motion be amended by adding the words ''; that the committee report its findings and recommendations to the House; and that, pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee request that the Government table a comprehensive response to the report'' after the words ''12 hours of hearings''.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Jenica Atwin, as amended, and it was agreed to.

After debate, the question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That the committee study Indigenous procurement and that as part of its study, the committee invite the Minister of Indigenous Services of Canada along with relevant officials, the Minister of Public Services and Procurement along with relevant officials, the Minister of Crown Indigenous relations with relevant officials, leaders of Indigenous nations and national Indigenous organizations, and other witnesses submitted to the chair by committee members; that the committee hold between eight and 12 hours of hearings; that the committee report its findings and recommendations to the House; and that, pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee request that the government table a comprehensive response to the report.

Motion

Garnett Genuis moved, — That the committee report to the House its recommendation that the Procurement Ombud study Indigenous procurement.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Taylor Bachrach moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “That the committee report to the House its recommendation that the Procurement Ombud study” with the words “That the Committee write to the Procurement Ombud to recommend that he studies”.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Taylor Bachrach and it was agreed to.

After debate, the question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That the committee write to the Procurement Ombud to recommend that he studies Indigenous procurement.

Motion

Julie Vignola moved, — Given the decision to change the status of 24 of the additional post offices in the Greater Montreal area from unilingual French to bilingual, that, pursuant to Standing Order 108(1), the committee invite to testify for a minimum of two hours each, no later than Saturday, September 28, 2024: the Minister of Official Languages; and the representatives of Canada Post.

Debate arose thereon.

At 12:59 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 1:06 p.m., the meeting resumed.

The debate continued

It was agreed, — That the motion reads as follow: ''Given the decision to change the status of 24 of the additional post offices in the Greater Montreal area from unilingual French to bilingual, that, pursuant to Standing Order 108(1), the committee invite the Deputy Minister of Official Languages and representatives of Canada Post to appear at a two-hour meeting to take place no later than Thursday, October 31, 2024'', and that it be adopted.

Motion

Stephanie Kusie moved, — Given the environment department has failed its Audit of the Administration of Grants and Contributions for poor oversight of millions of taxpayer dollars spent on green subsidies and the “potential legal and reputational damage this represents”, that the committee dedicate at least three meetings to this matter and call on the following witnesses to appear: Deputy Minister, Jean-François Tremblay; Assistant Deputy Minister, John Moffett; Assistant Deputy Minister of Corporate Services and Finance and Chief Financial Officer, Linda Drainville; Director General, Chief Audit Executive and Head of Evaluation, Christopher MacDonald; Authors of the “Administration of Grants and Contributions at Environment and Climate Change Canada”; Comptroller General of Canada, Annie Boudreau.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Julie Vignola moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “to this matter ” with the words “to the grants and contributions process”, and by replacing the words ''the following witnesses to appear: Deputy Minister, Jean-François Tremblay; Assistant Deputy Minister, John Moffett; Assistant Deputy Minister of Corporate Services and Finance and Chief Financial Officer, Linda Drainville; Director General, Chief Audit Executive and Head of Evaluation, Christopher MacDonald; Authors of the “Administration of Grants and Contributions at Environment and Climate Change Canada”; Comptroller General of Canada, Annie Boudreau'' with the words ''the relevant witnesses, as determined by the committee, to appear''.

At 1:48 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 1:55 p.m., the meeting resumed.

The debate continued

The question was put on the amendment of Julie Vignola and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Jenica Atwin, Taylor Bachrach, Parm Bains, Kelly Block, Paul Chiang, Garnett Genuis, Stephanie Kusie, Irek Kusmierczyk, Bryan May, Julie Vignola — 10;

NAYS: — 0.

At 2:03 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Marc-Olivier Girard
Clerk of the committee