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Minutes of Proceedings
Stephanie Kusie moved, — That the committee undertake a study, pursuant to Standing Orders 108(3)(c)(iii) and 108(3)(c)(ix), regarding government consulting contracts awarded to McKinsey & Company by the Government of Canada, or any Crown corporation, since November 2015, examining their effectiveness, management and operation, including the value and service received by the government, provided that:
(a) the committee schedule meetings to receive witness testimony (i) the President of the Treasury Board, the Minister of Public Services and Procurement and the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Finance, Minister of National Defence, Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship, Minister of Health and Minister of public safety each be invited to appear for at least two hours, and (ii) the parties shall each provide to the clerk of the committee, as soon as possible, their preliminary lists of other witnesses who the Chair shall schedule in a manner fair to all parties;
(b) the committee report forthwith to the House that it recommends that the Auditor General be called upon to conduct, as soon as possible, a performance and value for money audit of the contracts awarded to McKinsey & Company since November 2015 by any department, agency or Crown corporation;
(c) the committee order each department, agency or Crown corporation which entered into a contract (including a memorandum of understanding or other agreement) with McKinsey & Company since November 2015, to provide the clerk of the committee in both official languages and within three weeks of the adoption of this order, and notwithstanding any non-disclosure agreements which might be applicable, copies of (i) requests for tenders or other procurement requests related to contracts awarded to McKinsey & Company, (ii) tenders, bids, proposals or other applications received in respect of those procurement requests, (iii) contracts entered into, including any amendments thereto, (iv) all correspondence and electronic communications including emails, text messages, message app communications, and handwritten notes pertaining to these contracts, (v) statements of work performed by McKinsey & Company under each contract, (vi) all work product provided by McKinsey & Company under each contract, (vii) invoices provided by McKinsey & Company, (viii) records of all payments made to McKinsey & Company, (ix) the hourly and or daily rates McKinsey & Company charged for each employee working on all respective contracts the company has received since November 2015, and (x) the names of project managers and or project authorities from McKinsey & Company on all respective contracts and projects the company received since November 2015;
(d) the committee order McKinsey & Company to provide, to the clerk of the committee within three weeks of the adoption of this order, and notwithstanding any non-disclosure agreements which might be applicable, with respect to each contract entered into with a department, agency or Crown corporation of the Government of Canada since November 2015, copies of (i) all records referred to in paragraph (c), (ii) all records concerning the details and descriptions of work performed under each contract, (iii) timesheets documenting work done for each respective contract, (iv) the hourly and or daily rates McKinsey & Company charged to the government or crown corporation for each respective contract awarded to them since 2015, (v) the names of project managers and or project authorities from McKinsey & Company assigned to each project from a contract with the government or crown corporation since November 2015, (vi) all records concerning subcontracts issued by McKinsey & Company in relation to each contract, including tenders, contracts, or memoranda of understanding (including any amendments thereto), invoices, payments and evaluations, (vii) all correspondence and electronic communications including emails, text messages, message app communications, and handwritten notes pertaining to these contracts, and (viii) the complete client list of all organizations McKinsey & Company has worked with since November 2015;
(e) the evidence and documents received as part of this study be also considered in the committee’s study on the outsourcing of contracts.
At 1:31 p.m., the sitting was suspended.
At 1:57 p.m., the sitting resumed.
Debate arose on the motion of Stephanie Kusie.
Anthony Housefather moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing each instance of the words “November 2015” with the words “January 1, 2011”, and each instance of the word “2015” with “2011”.
After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Anthony Housefather and it was agreed to.
The debate continued
Anthony Housefather moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “in both official languages and within three weeks of the adoption of this order,” with the words “in both official languages within five weeks of the adoption of this order, as they become available,”.
After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Anthony Housefather and it was agreed to.
The debate continued
Anthony Housefather moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “at least two hours” with the words “an opening statement and at least three full rounds of questions”.
After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Anthony Housefather and it was agreed to.
The debate continued
Julie Vignola moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “ii) the parties” with “(iii) the parties” and by adding after the words “three full rounds of questions,” with the following: “(ii) the most senior executives at McKinsey & Company in Canada, Dominic Barton, and any other witnesses the committee decides be invited to appear,”.
After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Julie Vignola and it was agreed to.
The debate continued
It was agreed, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “provide to the clerk of the committee, as soon as possible,” with the words “provide to the clerk of the committee, by 3:00 p.m. EST on Tuesday, January 24, 2023,”.
After debate, the question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to.
The motion, as amended, read as follows:
That the committee undertake a study, pursuant to Standing Orders 108(3)(c)(iii) and 108(3)(c)(ix), regarding government consulting contracts awarded to McKinsey & Company by the Government of Canada, or any Crown corporation, since January 1, 2011, examining their effectiveness, management and operation, including the value and service received by the government, provided that:
(a) the committee schedule meetings to receive witness testimony (i) the President of the Treasury Board, the Minister of Public Services and Procurement and the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Finance, Minister of National Defence, Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship, Minister of Health, and Minister of Public Safety each be invited to appear for an opening statement and at least three full rounds of questions, (ii) the most senior executives at McKinsey & Company in Canada, Dominic Barton, and any other witnesses the committee decides be invited to appear, and (iii) the parties shall each provide to the clerk of the committee, by 3:00 p.m. EST on Tuesday, January 24, 2023, their preliminary lists of other witnesses who the Chair shall schedule in a manner fair to all parties;
(b) the committee report forthwith to the House that it recommends that the Auditor General be called upon to conduct, as soon as possible, a performance and value for money audit of the contracts awarded to McKinsey & Company since January 1, 2011, by any department, agency or Crown corporation;
(c) the committee order each department, agency or Crown corporation which entered into a contract (including a memorandum of understanding or other agreement) with McKinsey & Company since January 1, 2011, to provide the clerk of the committee in both official languages within five weeks of the adoption of this order, as they become available, and notwithstanding any non-disclosure agreements which might be applicable, copies of (i) requests for tenders or other procurement requests related to contracts awarded to McKinsey & Company, (ii) tenders, bids, proposals or other applications received in respect of those procurement requests, (iii) contracts entered into, including any amendments thereto, (iv) all correspondence and electronic communications including emails, text messages, message app communications, and handwritten notes pertaining to these contracts, (v) statements of work performed by McKinsey & Company under each contract, (vi) all work product provided by McKinsey & Company under each contract, (vii) invoices provided by McKinsey & Company, (viii) records of all payments made to McKinsey & Company, (ix) the hourly and or daily rates McKinsey & Company charged for each employee working on all respective contracts the company has received since January 1, 2011, and (x) the names of project managers and or project authorities from McKinsey & Company on all respective contracts and projects the company received since January 1, 2011;
(d) the committee order McKinsey & Company to provide, to the clerk of the committee within three weeks of the adoption of this order, and notwithstanding any non-disclosure agreements which might be applicable, with respect to each contract entered into with a department, agency or Crown corporation of the Government of Canada since January 1, 2011, copies of (i) all records referred to in paragraph (c), (ii) all records concerning the details and descriptions of work performed under each contract, (iii) timesheets documenting work done for each respective contract, (iv) the hourly and or daily rates McKinsey & Company charged to the government or crown corporation for each respective contract awarded to them since 2011, (v) the names of project managers and or project authorities from McKinsey & Company assigned to each project from a contract with the government or crown corporation since January 1, 2011, (vi) all records concerning subcontracts issued by McKinsey & Company in relation to each contract, including tenders, contracts, or memoranda of understanding (including any amendments thereto), invoices, payments and evaluations, (vii) all correspondence and electronic communications including emails, text messages, message app communications, and handwritten notes pertaining to these contracts, and (viii) the complete client list of all organizations McKinsey & Company has worked with since January 1, 2011;
(e) the evidence and documents received as part of this study be also considered in the committee’s study on the outsourcing of contracts.
At 2:49 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.